About Rewriting and Spinning Articles

15 Feb 11 9:47 pm

Thanks for sharing this, Fara!

stefan1601 wrote:I agree that $10 for 7200 words is way too cheap. So what is the minimum rate which you would expect a good article?

It actually depends on your niche. Good Elance writers usually charge US$10-$15 per article on general topics (like dog problems or relationship advice sites) but higher for specialized niches like 'World of Warcraft'.

27 Feb 11 11:27 am

I'm a writer myself and charge $2 per 100 words for general articles and for specialized stuff i.e. one that requires lots of research it can be as high as $5 per 100 words. Plus with cheap $1 per 1000 word article writers you get what you pay for...trash in most cases.

28 Feb 11 4:50 pm

Exactly Faradina! what you said is exactly what has been taking place over the past few years and with Google constantly focusing on ranking websites with good content higher in its SERP's fly-by-night writers are going out of business.

I should also add that using articles just to build back links from article directories is worthless if your articles are junk. Since search engines such as Google refuses to index junk and only considers articles which are discussed and tagged in social networking sites such as twitter.

01 Mar 11 3:04 am

Here is the point, if you are submitting quality content to these sites, you can still get them ranking.

Right on. If you do this you're ahead of the game so to speak. Google still can't really tell good content from bad very well YET (and I suspect they will never be as good as us superior humans. ;)) but writing for readers is the important takeaway I think most people agree upon.

I do want to make a note though that this doesn't make SEO irrelevant anymore. Separating your article from the pack in terms of quality is one thing, but doing best practices like good use of keywords, headers, etc will help you rank better for your desired search phrase. (oh, lets not forget back links too)

Just thought I'd throw that in to make a distinction for those that might be wondering. :)

Joshua

01 Mar 11 9:25 am

jmpruitt wrote:The thing is that google uses a combination of the automated spiders and human reviewers to check content.

I have a very strong feeling that when we are in the "google sandbox" or the "google dance", our sites are actually being scrutinized by the human reviewers.

03 Mar 11 2:27 pm

Fara and others, here a quick question: When you submit a re-write to EzineArticles, say, where do you link the resource box to? The original article, or a simple landing page? I found that for EZA traffic, an simple landing page converts about 40% higher than another full length article. What's your take on this?

03 Mar 11 7:28 pm

kdruhl wrote:Fara and others, here a quick question: When you submit a re-write to EzineArticles, say, where do you link the resource box to? The original article, or a simple landing page? I found that for EZA traffic, an simple landing page converts about 40% higher than another full length article. What's your take on this?

I recommend that you link your Ezine articles to your money pages / product review pages. This will improve the ranking of these pages and help monetize your site.

04 Mar 11 6:26 am

Another strategy, besides linking to your money pages, might be linking to a "next step" page. This can take one of two forms.

First, say you have a sequence of things to learn. Then the article you submit to EZA would link to the next step in the sequence. For example, your article that you are submitting to EZA might be about reading guitar chord charts. Well, you could link to a page on your site where you go over how to play some common chords.

Another "next step" style, that I got from my brother James, is to write a "what the problem is" article. Then, you would link to a page on your site that is a "why you should do something" page and the product you advertise on the page is the "how to do it". (I think I have this slightly wrong, but if he's still using this, James can explain it better.) It's another type of artcle progression that leads your reader where you want them to go.

04 Mar 11 10:30 am

gradyp wrote:Another strategy, besides linking to your money pages, might be linking to a "next step" page. This can take one of two forms.

First, say you have a sequence of things to learn. Then the article you submit to EZA would link to the next step in the sequence. For example, your article that you are submitting to EZA might be about reading guitar chord charts. Well, you could link to a page on your site where you go over how to play some common chords.

Another "next step" style, that I got from my brother James, is to write a "what the problem is" article. Then, you would link to a page on your site that is a "why you should do something" page and the product you advertise on the page is the "how to do it". (I think I have this slightly wrong, but if he's still using this, James can explain it better.) It's another type of artcle progression that leads your reader where you want them to go.

This make since to me, even if readers didn't follow you all the way to you money pages, you would be passing "link juice" along to you most important pages.

04 Mar 11 11:26 pm

He didn't get it backwards, he is doing things his way.

05 Mar 11 7:07 pm

mack45 wrote:Hi all so what you staff are saying is that if a buyer of the Jetpacks for an example is just not the best writer he better be buying all his articles or learn fast or he is not going to make anything or get ranked much in Google. what I see is that all the articles are well written but all need spun and rewritten to get away from duplicate content. This makes the idea that anybody can be successful using the jet packs very questionable. That is unless he can out source a lot and then the cost is not inline with the ads for the Jetpacks . I figure it will take me close to a hundred articles written to get a full campaign making cash with out sourcing that would cost 1000 to 1500 dollars. Then if I need to redo all the keyword research for new articles I had better be able to do that and know what I am doing also.

It dosen't take a 100 well written original articles. re-read Faradina's post again. You start with one very good article and make dozens from it.

06 Mar 11 1:08 am

I agree with what you are saying but I still think that the statement on the sales page for the link pack is a lot misleading. I have my site up and six articles spun to and on the website. But I would like to have fresh content for the squidoos and hubs to build a link push even a small one for each page of the site.

I believe I can write good enough to get it done myself but I have spent the last few years working double shifts to learn to spell then to type then to use the computer then to market. Then to buy a product that is supposed to be able to be set up in four hours and get me to cash. The I knew this was not going to happen for me from the start not even four days work I can still do it but I do not see most people doing this amount of work on a bought project that is supposed to be all there.

It may happen because a lot of people have way more computer skills than I do. I also read where Faradina said that the content has to be fresh and good or Google will trash it so that tells me to really watch how many time I spin articles. It also says the writing has to be of good original content. But I have found that even if you pay a good writer is is hard to get any kind of quality.

I really liked your post on another thread JM Pruit on how little you use Ezines and it is not the all to end all in marketing. I have a few done and live but every month Ezine finds a reason to shut them down. I usually find a hundred articles written will just get a thirty page web site on track. Not counting what I write to post on blogs or other sites for back links.

I have already read a lot of complaints from Jetpack members who tried to make it work with out doing a better than average link wheel or link push. I also heard from a lot of successful marketers that a website needs about thirty pages to rank well this is the least they use. I still believe that the jetpacks are a great bargain because of the amount of work in the emails and quality template.

06 Mar 11 5:10 pm

One thing you need to realize Mac is that the people you see on the forum are usually the people struggling to make it work. THe majority of the people I have met using the jetpacks have never been to the forum, and I know quite a few who took the training, followed it and are making some good progress, building their lists, and focusing their time on their sites, and they are already making money from it. So, don't judge the viability of the program based on what you see and hear in the forum.

That being said, I agree with what JC said. Look at what you are writing in the forum. that could be great content for an article if you were in the IM niche.

I spend a lot of time in forums within various niches, and I often get a lot of traffic to my sites. I save the posts that I write, and use them later on for articles, newsletters, ebooks, blog posts, and videos.

You really need to be personally involved in your niche for that to to work, but it is a great way to get to know people. I usually find that when someone asks a question in a forum, there are other people also searching for the answer to that same question.

25 Apr 11 8:31 am

gradyp wrote:Another strategy, besides linking to your money pages, might be linking to a "next step" page. This can take one of two forms.

First, say you have a sequence of things to learn. Then the article you submit to EZA would link to the next step in the sequence. For example, your article that you are submitting to EZA might be about reading guitar chord charts. Well, you could link to a page on your site where you go over how to play some common chords.

Another "next step" style, that I got from my brother James, is to write a "what the problem is" article. Then, you would link to a page on your site that is a "why you should do something" page and the product you advertise on the page is the "how to do it". (I think I have this slightly wrong, but if he's still using this, James can explain it better.) It's another type of artcle progression that leads your reader where you want them to go.

Hey Gradyp good point...that's a strategy I'm going to use from now on. As for re-writing, I would agree with faradina, you do your best writing on the third or fourth re-write. It may be a pain, but it's well worth it when you're money site is gaining traction and converting sales.

I re-write for a content company online, and they require 5 re-writes of the same article so they can submit it to their spinner and sell to local businesses. Whenever I reluctantly sat down to write the first one, I thought it was terrible, but by the second and third one I was getting warmed up.

28 Apr 11 4:01 pm

As far as rewriting goes, I agree that the third or fourth rewrite will probably be much better than the first couple. But when looking at the time spent to do that, personally I like to spin it via the Best Spinner or other program and just DO IT RIGHT. That's the key. Spend time to spin each word, phrase, sentence, even paragraphs. Then when you spin, it's actually readable, good quality, and you have 100% unique content. And best of all you get all of that hundreds of times if you just do it right at the start.

29 Apr 11 5:04 am

I never really liked the efficiency of article rewriters like The Best Spinner. Even when I use it, it's too time-consuming that I would much rather prefer to rewrite manually or write a new one from scratch.

13 Oct 11 4:13 pm

stefan1601 wrote:I agree that $10 for 7200 words is way too cheap. So what is the minimum rate which you would expect a good article?

I would say 7200 words should be given $50 for their royalty.I wonder if it available at 10$ then the quality may be very poor.

24 Oct 11 11:16 pm

sam2 wrote:

stefan1601 wrote:I agree that $10 for 7200 words is way too cheap. So what is the minimum rate which you would expect a good article?

I would say 7200 words should be given $50 for their royalty.I wonder if it available at 10$ then the quality may be very poor.

You always get what you paid for. Finding good writers who can give you high-quality, original articles are not only difficult to find, they cost a lot too. I agree with Margene, since good writers are hard to find, you need to build a sort of pool of people you can outsource some of your tasks to. If you find a good writer who can offer you his services at a reasonable amount, then stick with that writer. It saves you time and effort of finding a decent writer each time.

14 Dec 11 12:14 am

I use "Rapid Rewriter" to spin articles. If the program is used properly it cannot be detected by humans or computer algorithms as a copy of an original. I devote more time to writing the 5 additional sentence options for each sentence than it takes to write the original article. Excluding research I write an original article in about 30-45 minutes. For the spun article sentences I may spend as much as six additional hours.

Using "Rapid Rewriter" the number of total words, sentences as well as paragraphs change periodically. My acceptance rates using AMA or UAW is 93% or greater.

Margene

28 Dec 11 9:06 am

Hi mhtconsultancy,

We are on the same page here. I prefer to rewrite articles on my own, even though it is tedious. There is no better machine than the human brain. :)

Happy Holidays!

29 Dec 11 2:18 am

I agree.

11 Apr 12 4:03 am

Coming up with new content gets more and more difficult as you build your article base. At some point you'll have to re-hash content you collect from various websites so a re-write is in order. After re-writing, you can further spin it for distribution to article directories.

There are various applications you can use for spinning like Article Spinner or The Best Spinner. You can do the writing and re-writing on your own, but if you find it too taxing you can outsource a writer from iWriter or oDesk, or eLance: 3 Good Reasons to try iWriter

Hope that helps. Have a good day!

13 Jun 12 11:35 pm

Hello All,

I'm very new to PLR, Spinning, Content Creation and such. But I see the massive value in using PLR and in spinning.

I need help with figuring out the best way to utilize my niche keywords with my plr articles and I hope someone on here can point me in the right direction.

First Off: I do not intent to use these keywords for ppc or (deliberate) seo to promote my site and/or offers. I'm focusing on intense content syndication for traffic thus foregoing ranking and competition strategies.

With that being said...

Google now has the 'Ad Group' feature on it's kwt and I really like it. My dilemma is that all the words in the suggested groups are relevant and I want to utilize them all!

Pretty much all of the kw are relevant and targeted and I'd hate to leave one un-touched...leaving possible money on the table. But how can I effectively utilize the following words (for example purposes only):

Hemorrhoid home treatment
hemorrhoids home treatment
home treatment for hemorrhoids
hemorrhoids treatment at home
home hemorrhoid treatment
hemroid home treatment
...and so on...

They're so many of them that are similar yet different enough. These can all be considered "money" keywords if I wanted to direct this traffic to an offer. (which in my case I would)

I understand keyword research but this is where I often get stuck - trying to choose the best and wanting to use all. Since I'm not worried about ranking and competition I could, theoretically, just go down the list and use 1 keyword for an article and syndicate that content.

If I chose to go that route, would I re-write or spin the article for each word?

Would I chose a PLR article closely related to my keywords, spin it and then plug each keyword into it?

If so, then that poses the question of: how many times can I re-write or spin it before it's unreadable and/or is not unique (enough)?

Any and all help and advice is welcomed and thanks in advance.

PS. This thread is very helpful by the way, thank you!

14 Jun 12 9:26 am

jenise75 wrote:If I chose to go that route, would I re-write or spin the article for each word?

Would I chose a PLR article closely related to my keywords, spin it and then plug each keyword into it?

If so, then that poses the question of: how many times can I re-write or spin it before it's unreadable and/or is not unique (enough)?

Any and all help and advice is welcomed and thanks in advance.

PS. This thread is very helpful by the way, thank you!

I suggest if you want to get the best our of your PLRs, just rewrite them, do not spin.

jenise75 wrote:Would I chose a PLR article closely related to my keywords, spin it and then plug each keyword into it?

If you want to have your website syndicated for good content, then do not spin. If you have ready articles that are discussing the same topic as your keywords, then rewrite them. But make sure when inserting your keywords, they should be related and don't look like they are just "stuffed"- this will look very spammy.

So if you do not have exact articles as your keywords, I suggest that you just hire someone to write good content for you. That way, you will have your keywords within the article with proper flow and grammer and not like they are just "stuffed".

jenise75 wrote:If so, then that poses the question of: how many times can I re-write or spin it before it's unreadable and/or is not unique (enough)?

As I said, for me, it is suggested that you just do the rewrite.

I hope that helps.

Mary

26 Sep 12 4:25 am

Nowadays with the current economy the way it is, you can find writers typically anywhere and everywhere. And the competition is fierce so I can understand an offer as such.

Therefore, to ensure its quality content, feel free to ask to see the first 100 words of the article.

And to take it a step further, if you really want to ensure that you're getting quality content, ask the writer to send each article to you after they complete it, to ensure the style, quality, and tone of the article is exactly the way you specified in your details.

23 Oct 12 11:06 am

Thanks for sharing this post. It is quite interesting and would definitely shed some light if one has confusion in regard to those two. I agree that they're different but I guess, somehow, the thought is quite the same because you'll be making another article from the original article; though it would be in a different angle. That is what I think.

18 Mar 13 9:28 am

I haven't gone through all the replies yet. However, I would not suggest you to spin article.I use to own TBS for a year and didn't spin more than 3 articles.

What I would suggest is to make your content into different format. You can write articles in the way it is; you can recording yourself talking about the ideas from this article and make it a podcast; you can make a slide show of the article and share with people; you can record the screen shot video with the slide show as a video...etc. there are many ways of creating content.